Monday, June 4, 2012

2nd Amendment repeal not likely. I’ll settle for an amendment to the Amendment

The 2nd Amendment:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

It rings in our ears because the National Rifle Assn. (NRA) has shoved it down our throats for years.  To this conglomeration of thugs it means that anyone can own a gun, take it anywhere they want, with little or absolutely no training.  The best example of a NRA state is Arizona with the loosest gun laws in the country.

It is followed, or maybe even equaled by, Florida, where the now infamous Stand Your Ground law made its debut, and is now probably responsible for the death of black, unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin at the hands of George Zimmerman’s gun, an inexpensive 9 mm semiautomatic known as the Kel-Tec 9 mm PF-9.  As a neighborhood watch captain Zimmerman wasn’t even supposed to be carrying a weapon and the 911 dispatcher told him to let police handle the situation.

Studies have proven that these gun worshippers sometimes try to replicate law enforcement in a situation such as this with results that are tragic, which this one was.  It didn’t have to happen; if only Zimmerman had stayed in his car.  And there would probably have been no altercation at all if there wasn’t a concealed carry law in Florida.  A total of 49 states have passed laws allowing citizens to carry certain concealed firearms in public, either with or without a permit.

There are three unrestricted states: Alaska, Arizona and Vermont.  An Unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which no permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.  In Arizona the concealed carrier can even skip a background check by making the purchase at a gun show where NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, proved it was as easy as…just asking.  But Arizona takes it one step further.  You don’t have to have firearms training.

Josh Sugarmann
Josh Sugarmann is the founder and executive director of the Violence Policy Center an organization that is attempting to reduce gun violence in the United States.  He cites an incident where Meleanie Hain insisted on taking her loaded Glock pistol to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game in Lebanon, Pa.  This didn’t sit well with the crowd so they complained.  After the game her permit was revoked but reinstated by the court.  She became an open-carry hero.

The judge even urged her not to carry her gun to the soccer games, but Hain decided she knew best because she was afraid of murderers and terrorists.  Even others who might have concealed weapons to harm her like the young soccer players or other fans.  Do you believe this idiot?  She is more brain-washed than the NRA’s graying granny Marion Hammer. 

Sugarman says: “At least 402 victims have been killed in 32 states since May 2007 in non-self-defense incidents involving private citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns.”

Sugarman continues, “In October 2009, Hain was gunned down in her home by her husband who, after firing six shots into her with his handgun (hers was in a backpack hanging off a door), went upstairs and ended his own life with a shotgun blast.  Meleanie Hain believed that a handgun—on her hip or in her home—guaranteed her personal safety.”  It didn’t.  Not only was she wrong about the security of a concealed weapon, her actions left her children without parents.

Constance Johnson, a Democratic State Senator in Oklahoma, thinks “Open Carry Is an Invitation to Chaos.”  She makes some good points like, are the armed gun owners trustworthy?; Open carry sounds good but is it realistic in today’s society?; reiterates that law enforcement is against these laws; the 2nd Amendment in its inception was truly for protection during lawlessness but has evolved into nothing but a crutch for the NRA.

So is the U.S. Congress softening its stance on gun control?  On TownHall Brian Darling points out one bill among several designed to restore and preserve 2nd Amendment rights that have stalled in the House and Senate.  Among the bills ready for action is S.2205, the Second Amendment Sovereignty Act, that would bar the Administration from signing onto the Arms Trade Treaty.  The head of Gun Owners of America wants action if Congress expects their votes in Nov.

I know there are reasonable-minded gun owners out there; I have talked to them through comments on this blog.  There are also the gun nuts who are capable only of doing what the NRA tells them to.  It is the former group that must consider revising the 2nd Amendment.  Things like mandatory background checks and adequate training for gun owners.  Closing the gun show loophole and eliminating open/concealed carry except for law enforcement and unusual needs.

This NRA bullshit of no compromise of any kind is getting old and probably beginning to open the eyes of many non-gun owners out there that are starting to believe that just maybe gun control is a good idea.  You can only push your point so far and when the negatives in your issue—like multiple shooting deaths on a daily basis now—begin to be obvious, the momentum is bound to shift.  I think we are on the verge of this happening today.


  1. On a related note... The Tampa Bay Times just published a report where they examined 200 Florida "stand your ground" cases that evoked that law. Their findings were shocking. 70% of the victims were not armed, like Trayvon. 68% of the defendants were not punished. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free. Racism was clearly an issue, too, based on statistics. Some who successfully claimed this defense were drug dealers, gangsters, chased the suspects, or shot them in the back.

    See the following links:

  2. Hi Nasty

    This is a description of a US citizens rights under the Constitution. Per a Supreme ZCourt Cheif Justice 15 years old when the Bill of rights was passed.
    It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.

  3. Just about every household in the 1800s had at a minimum a rifle. Most also had pistols. How many of them do you think were "trained" by the government before being allowed to exercise their RIGHTS to self defense? It's a false argument based on fear and incorrect assumptions that people who own guns aren't trained to use them. I don't know a single person with a gun that doesn't go to ranges and practice shooting.

    Your information about the Zimmerman case ignores key points of information - namely that Zimmerman DID back off and was approached by Trayvon. This is another scare tactic based on cherry-picked information.

    Arizona - the state you admit has "loosest gun laws in the country" - is experiencing its lowest crime rates in 30 years, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The most dramatic changes have occurred in the past 10 years!

    Gun control doesn't prevent crime. Just ask the citizens of Toronto, Canada. Their gun laws are more strict than any place in the United States and yet are experiencing gun crimes at an alarming rate (probably because criminals know law-abiding citizens are unarmed).

    1. Get real. We aren't in the 1800s anymore and there are studies by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence that say many gun owners aren't trained. Your point about Zimmerman is speculation based on statements that are conflicting. And Arizona today is in the middle of some of the worst gun violence in years. Your BOJ stats are way out of date. Just look at my recent report on U.S. shootings:

      And gun control does prevent crime, as proved in my post on Canada gun laws:

      Sorry, but you're all wrong.

      Jack E. Dunning
      Nasty Jack Blog

    2. No, they're right. You're actually the one who's wrong. Both the NAS and CDC reviews of gun control impact were unable to find a single causal relation either way. These were the best funded, most complete studies ever attempted. There's simply no link.

    3. Your comment doesn't make sense re. the other comment. Anyway, I'll stick to my facts and the two sites listed above.

      Jack E. Dunning
      Nasty Jack Blog

  4. Where to even start replying to this tripe?

    1) What other constitutional protections are we only aware of because someone "shoved them down our throats?" Personally, I learned the Bill of Rights in civics class, not from the NRA.

    2) Arizona does not have "the loosest gun laws in the nation." Several states allow carrying on college campuses, and many states allow open carrying or even drinking while carrying in establishments that serve alcohol - Arizona does neither.

    3) Florida was not the first state to pass a Stand Your Ground law; Illinois passed SYG in 1961. Other states have been SYG by common law longer than that, including California, Washington, Utah, and Kentucky.

    4) There are at least four unrestricted states, not three as mentioned in the article. Several others have introduced legislation to pass similar laws.

    5) In almost every state, "the concealed carrier" (or any other citizen) can purchase a gun at a gun show, or a garage sale, or from the classified ads in the paper... "just by asking." That's the law. Background checks are only required (and only allowed) when purchasing from a federally-licensed dealer.

    With this many inaccuracies in your writing, how are we supposed to take any of your conclusions seriously?

    1. 1. Hooray for the good student, but I doubt the latter remark.

      2. Arizona does have the loosest gun laws based on a gun culture in that state that provides gun owners any right they want, compliments of the NRA. And, unless progressives rid the state of its GOP conservative fanaticism and incompetence, the laws will only get looser.

      3. That Illinois law is not a true Stand Your Ground law; it was simply a self-defense statue.

      4. Thank you for the correction.

      5. Duh! That's precisely what I said. Can't you read?

      Now that we have confirmed the important inaccuries are yours, not mine, we hopefully won't have to contend with your drivel anymore. Give my worst to Wayne LaPierre.

      Jack E. Dunning
      Nasty Jack Blog



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