Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Gun nuts are right, guns don’t kill people; the NRA does by forcing loose gun laws

Why the NRA gets its way

In talking about the “Fast and Furious” fiasco, Democratic California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said, “anyone can walk in and buy anything,” referring to firearms.  F&F occurred in Arizona, which just happens to have the loosest gun laws in the USA, perhaps in the world.  The Senator’s home state has more stringent weapons laws such as a ban against assault weapons compared to Arizona that allows their sale. 

The National Rifle Assn. (NRA) filed a lawsuit in August of 2011, challenging a new federal regulation requiring gun merchants in states along the border with Mexico to report bulk sales of certain semiautomatic rifles.  The key word here is “bulk” as if NRA members need 10 or more assault rifles to protect their homes.  The organization was prominent in the appeal of the assault weapons ban

The NRA has the state of Arizona by the balls and yet it continues to push for more laws that will allow firearms everywhere in the state.  The latest to come out of this demented Republican legislature is a bill to force guns onto college and university campuses; you can already take them into bars.  The NRA has succeeded in diluting Arizona weapons laws to the extent that anyone can buy and carry a handgun concealed with absolutely no training.

In the following video you can watch one of the NRA's Exec. Dir. Wayne LaPierre's ludicrous answers to why the government should not monitor multiple gun sales along the Mexican border: 

In all fairness, the National Rifle Assn. has several gun safety programs available to its members, which it recommends on its site, but hardly the kind of thing that would appeal to a Jared Loughner before his Tucson massacre or Seung Hui Cho in the Virginia Tech bloodbath.

NRA new member
This all stems from a branch of the NRA, the Institute for Legislative Action, which is their lobbying arm.  It places its strength in the 4-million members of the organization and gun manufacturers that both contribute generously to the NRA.  The ILA depends heavily on grassroots efforts in the states to pass pro-gun reform legislation. 

Although it says its efforts are to “recognize the right of honest citizens to carry firearms for self-protection,” the ILA fails to mention that these same laws also allow lunatics to buy and carry around weapons with which they create mayhem on innocent citizens.

Other NRA approved state legislation includes: In Mississippi when you have a concealed carry permit and take an eight-hour education course, you can now carry a gun on college campuses, in bars and in courthouses; Despite Iowa loosening its gun law regulations back in 2010, the NRA demanded more, wanting more firearms on the street; In Tennessee gun laws look almost as loose as the state of Arizona.

Here’s an example of the NRA’s arrogance and misplaced priorities: "This is all a coordinated approach to respect that human, God-given right of self defense by law-abiding Americans," says Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist. "We'll rest when all 50 states allow and respect the right of law-abiding people to defend themselves from criminal attack."  From the Nashville, Tenn. Herald Sun.

NRA's Wayne LaPierre laughing at gun control
In Pennsylvania a bill is going through the legislature that would penalize municipalities - including Philadelphia and 29 others - that have enacted laws to curb illegal gun sales by requiring them to pay damages and penalties to plaintiffs who challenge those laws in the courts; Virginia is considering a bring your gun to work bill; And at the federal level, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011” would make it easier for people to carry concealed handguns across state lines.

You can take a look at your state on Wikipedia’s “Gun Laws in the United States site.  Then compare it with bizarre states like Arizona, Tennessee and Texas.  If your state has reasonable gun control laws, I can guarantee you that the National Rifle Assn. is lurking close.  It is simply a matter of time, unless you do something to stop it.


  1. NJ: Excellent post. I used to be on DK, but was driven off mostly by posses of gunsel gunwacks, who would show up on comments and TR me.

    The gunwacks on DK have the pretense of civility and reason, but they are just a bunch of lying snakes who are no more reasonable than is LaPierre that massive pile of shit. I asked once for a single gun restriction that they would agree to, and they have none. They do not agree that the gun show loophole and private sale loophole should be closed. They don't agree with restrictions on number of sales, on restrictions on high capacity magazines, none of that stuff. They are just shills for the NRA and are all liars.

  2. Mr Dunning,
    In respect to Operation fast and Furious, EVERYTHING that occurred illegally was done under the consent of the BATFE. All the multiple sales were reported by the dealers, without legal responsibility to do so mind you, because the dealers felt something was awry. BATFE told them to do so, and as a result, tragedy happened. Fast and Furious was NOT a flawed operation, it was CRIMINAL, you're beloved government screwed the pooch on this one. This was a stealth attempt to inflate the 90% lie, and it failed, miserably. Don't worry, none of the administration shall pay for this crime, hundreds of dead Mexican citizens paid for them. Gun Violence indeed!

    But when the rug was being pulled out from underneath them, President Obama then decided that BATFE demand letter #3 was the correct solution. To be clear, BATFE coerces FFL's to "go ahead, make the sale", then says to many multiple sales are occurring, time to institute Letter #3? Please remember what i said about emotional arguments and credibility, Sir.

    The NRA was right in speaking up about this. If one know the facts, it is obvious that the whole point was ; Create a problem, then mandate a solution. This is extra-legal, of course.

    Next,the EVIL NRA. The NRA is nothing more than a citizens organization, "grass roots" as you said, that is there to speak for me, since I cannot be in DC when some Senator or Representative writes a bill that infringes on my Second Amendment right. Plain and simple. They are doing what I, and 80 million LAWFUL gun owners tell them. Ham radio enthusiasts have a lobby, the ARRL, old folks have one, the AARP, doctors, the AMA. Yes, they all have an agenda, as do I, and also you. And if I want the freedom to own, use and carry firearms, of hamradio, or just enjoy my old self, then these folks are our advocates in Washington. In other words, dont blame the lobby, blame the members. Blame me. My personal belief is anyone who chooses to, should be able to arm them self, against threat of assault, with what ever they choose. Self defense is a right. And rights not exercised become atrophied into privileges, and eventually crimes. And, with the help of NRA and other organization, we will keep and expand those rights.

    to be continued
    Tom Woodrow

  3. continued

    I personally don't have a problem with 21 year olds carrying guns. The law says they can and I have not seen the blood in the streets. So why, for pete's sake, does it make a difference where they are? Does simply existing on a college campus make people crazy, and if so, lets just eliminate campi. I understand that the presence of a weapon can make some people uncomfortable, but that can be fixed easily.I might suggest a credit class on familiarization and safety training at these colleges. Even if you don't have a firearm, it is in one's best interest to have knowledge of them. Knowledge is power. As far as training goes, Those of us who do carry, we are trained. training isn't a class you attend, pass and you are good to go. No Sir. It is a way of life, you live differently when you carry a firearm. It is just like having an infant child with you 24-7. The heaviest thing about carrying is the responsibility. Simple misconduct with a gun can get you tossed in jail for a long time. And the law abiding know that. A gentleman in the phoenix area had a discharge in a bathroom 2 days ago, he may go to jail, for endangerment. For an accident. Responsibility is the key word, the laws in Arizona are quite strict on these matters.

    And this brings up another point, Sir. I keep hearing of "lax" gun laws in Arizona. Not true at all.For instance, When the concealed weapons statutes were improved, when that bill was passed, it also made simple possession of a deadly weapon a felony, up from a misdemeanor. So now, you no longer need a CCW permit to carry a gun, but a gangbanger that gets caught with stolen property while in possession of a gun gets to go to prison, instead of back on the street to come get my tv. Just one example. But the great thing is liberty was improved, don't you see?

    We don't have "bizarre" laws here in Arizona, we have an absence of Draconian rules and regulations that would be designed to trip up lawful minded people. We also have very strong laws regarding the misconduct of weapons, and that is what is necessary to interrupt the criminal element. There is enough rope given to hang oneself, the choice is up to the individual. If you want a definition of a bizarre law, look to L.A. county, It is a crime to throw a football or a frisbee on the beach. 'Nuff said bout that!

    Always default to liberty! Always!

    Tom Woodrow
    Considerate Pro Rights Enthusiast

  4. Woodrow: Gabby Giffords is grateful to you and the other murdering moron gunsels. She is also grateful to the NRA to allow mentally insane wacks to buy unlimited guns at gun shows. She's also happy that the morons of AZ carry guns everywhere. Worked for her. She's doing so well with a bullet in her brain, and 9 dead friends, including a 7 year old. You NRA morons bear full responsibility for all those dead.

  5. Mr Poed,
    Ms. Giffords owns the same model of pistol that her assailant used. And by many accounts was fairly accomplished in using it. I am unsure if she was/is a NRA member, but she may be. There were 6 people murdered that day, and Christina Taylor-Green was 10 years old, not 7. Very sad, indeed.

    her assailant purchased the murder weapon legally, abiding by the laws you proscribe, yes, the system did not weed him out, but the fact remains it was a legal transaction. That being said, how do you correlate this with a lawful private sale? If you want to argue effectively, a little intellectual honesty is required.

    You sir, Mr, Poed, are an anti rights bigot. I thought we were supposed to be civil in our discussion? Because I may have an opinion does not make me a "moron", but you're choice of ad hominem attacks and lack of fact checking and proofreading certainly may qualify you for that title.

    I think today is way to nice to sit at the computer. Heading to the range instead. Have a fantastic day!

    Tom Woodrow



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